On this week’s episode, Ashley and Marcy talk about sacrifice and suffering and the strong Black women trope that we take on relationships. The Christian internets have been ablaze with this trope since Pastor John Gray’s interview with Sister Circle Live where he disclosed his wife’s suffering throughout their marriage and that she had experienced more pain as she “birthed him” than she had during the birth of their children, and before that when David Mann admitted to cheating and fathering two children outside of his 30-year marriage. While men and women have cosigned these testimonies of “repentance” and “transparency,” mixed reactions online are that this type of rhetoric is dangerous and puts women in positions to make unfair sacrifices for companionship. Listen to this real conversation about relationships, and the sacrifice and emotional labor endured while “birthing” a man.

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